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The "Planet X Old School BAR" ground rules then!

The Sit down and the back and stop talking Loughran…this is important. The Planet X Old School BAR IS going to happen. The competition committee convened yesterday (sounds posh that doesn't it....much better than Dave, Brant, Andy and me hit the cheese-cake at "you know where"…..in the process of negotiating some sort of sponsorship deal there so until it's officially confirmed it's classified info ok?) and agreed that there's been sufficient interest expressed in the competition to press ahead with it. Well…when I say "sufficient interest", that's mainly due to the two nice young men we happened to meet on the way to Dave's executive suite. We'd noticed their flash car with writing splashed all over it in the car park as we arrived and as chance would have it managed to get into conversation with them during the course of our pow-wow. Anyway…..the pretty coloured little sweets they kept asking us to try certainly tasted nice and Dave certainly took a shine to them. I'm not sure whether or not they were the cause of his erratic and excitable behaviour during the course of the subsequent negotiations that took place but I must admit he played a bloody blinder!!! I couldn't quite keep pace with it all myself (I was ready for my mid day nap - despite the sweets) but the upshot of the shenanigans (sorry … negotiations) was that we'd found a co-backer for our series! All I (that is me…..Dave said YOU deal with it Cammish) need to do now is to decide on the rules and which events are to qualify. So…let's keep it as simple as possible eh? If everyone enters into the spirit of it there's no problem right? Just don't take the pi55 and we'll be ok! No aero hats - UCI approved crash hats are ok but make sure there are lots of vents and that it's not one of those Giro, Spuik etc aero ones. Dansk leather "hairnet" crash hats are encouraged….but not obligatory. No disc wheels. Spoked (16 or more) wheels must be used with rims not exceeding 3cm in depth. No tri bars. Dropped handlebars would score extra points if we were planning to award them…but we aren't…so they won't! - cow horns are ok (surely no-one else but me has still got any of them kicking around have they?). Two 10s and two 25s (from a specific "yet to be agreed" list of events) to count. The person achieving the highest average of the four average speeds will be the winner. Overall prizes to go down to 20th position - doubt we'll get that many take part - but surprise us eh? (Good prizes too … eh Dave?…..where's he gone now?) We reserve the right to change any rules if we feel they're being abused / we feel we're being taken advantage of / anyone's too bloody fast (that goes for you too Mr Instone!) ……. basically we'll make them up as we go along! But let's stick with that for now eh? Now…events! Thanks to the remarkable interest expressed by our two new friends (more news about who they are later - we've got to peal Dave from the ceiling first!)….we / they will be willing to donate a little something to every competitor who enters an event which counts towards Planet X's Old School Series - that could be up to 120 freebies for your event! I'll be getting in touch with a few organisers in the next few days but if anyone, in the meantime, would like to open their 2009 event to incorporate our Series then please do let me know won't you? It won't involve any extra work on your part - we're doing this all on trust ….we're like that you see (now where's that smiley little icon with the glinting / shining tooth?). Important Note: We're serious…ok?

20 September 2008

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  • Ian Cammish

    86/91? Any more clues? (Could be fun this!)

  • real allrounder 86/91

    Can we race Boneshakers,Trikes, Tandems and Tandem Trikes in these races being a real allround cyclist and pretty good in those days before Tri-Bars

  • The Saint

    I'm in training now. I can hold the old 90 degree elbow position for at least two minutes already.LOL.

  • Ian Cammish

    Thanks for the interest Andy (and Dan!). Let's not try to run before we can walk though eh? I've got a dozen events events lined up and they're spread all over the country so that anyone who wants to take part can...without too much travelling. I've tried to pick nice fast courses because...lets face it...that's what we really like isn't it? It's been difficult though because certain parts of the country aren't renowned for "superfast" courses but it would be nice to give everyone the chance to take part if they want to...so I've done the best I can. I'm sure you won't be disappointed. If the series is a success (that's if I win ... ok?) then sure we'll look at the possibility of doing something similar again in the future (maybe!!!) and try other courses. Alternatively we might run a series where you have to ride on blue bikes only (say!!)..or bikes without saddles....or bikes with dildo bars (have you seen that fgs? http://www.planet-x-warehouse.co.uk/?p=2239 ) ...who knows?

  • Dan Cave

    Mr Storey.. :) The CC weymouth 10 is a very sporting course (especially when you get to Winfrith Roundabout..) Ian, I know it's abit far end of the country, but it's a cracking course. is there any chance that you see it your way to make this a season long thing with a few more events? Andy, do you fancy taking part in this for the craq ?

  • Andy Storey

    They is a really good (and well supported) 10m TT event run by CC Weymouth that I would suggest should be on the list of events. It's rules are virtually the same as yours too!

  • Dan Cave

    That's a 10' course btw,...

  • Dan Cave

    What about the Poole Wheelers course (the *old one* P421 ) which started off outside the Ryvita factory and down to the bakers arms roundabout and back, Chris Ball did an 18' if i recall... that's a pretty quick course..

  • Planet X Bicycles » The BBAR….and more!

    OK…so in reality the sun might not shine every day, it’s unlikely that you’ll have a tailwind everywhere you go and you probably won’t be riding on the M25 (durr…that’s a motorway in case you missed it…ok?) but I’ve sorted out lots of events on courses where you start at the top of a hill and finish at the bottom and the vast majority of them are on REAL dragstrips (well that’s what we really want isn’t it?) so there’ll definitely be some fast times done. The only problem is… if you want a slice of the action in as much as the overall prizes are concerned you’ll have to ride them old skool (although you can ride them using all the latest gizmos if you really want but that strikes us as being far too sensible!).

  • to55er

    Strange that Bob.....I've just tried it and I haven't had anything bounced back....yet! Not to worry ...try [email protected]

  • Bob Porter

    Ian Ihave tried to email you a couple of addresses but each time it has been returned please email me an alternatuve address Bob

  • Ian Cammish

    ok...so I could say I rode 283 miles in the same 12 and won it! Dunno about about you but the win was worth a lot more than the mileage! Anyway...enough of that! Let's move on and look forward to it. Subject to Gordon bleedin' Brown and Alistair Darling getting their act together and freeing up some dosh to spend on diesel I'll be riding as many as I can. I'm looking forward to riding both Levens and the new V178 ..... that is if some kind organiser will let us add a bit of fun and interest to their event. Come on Joel...don't you know anyone up there who'll oblige?

  • to55er

    In that case then, will you be entering EVERY potentially fast 10 or 25 in the hope its going to be a good day? If there was an old school event on the U83 on the same day as a 10 on the U47 I reckon you'd enter the U47 anyway...wouldn't you? So do we ...I....have to scour the handbook to ensure none of our events clash with anthing that's potentially fast? You're obsessed with times! Shame on you! I'll be riding old school in them all......takes the pressure off a bit you see....I won't have to keep explaining to the sponsor why I keep getting beaten ;-)

  • Ian Cammish

    Great stuff Bob..can you mail me someone's contact details please [email protected] Ta!

  • Bob Porter

    Ian the ABC Centreville are interested in incorperating Old School into at least our open 10 and maybe the 25. Both events are on Cheshire courses J2/1 and J2/9 not fast but Old School ie no dual-cariageways Bob

  • Ian Cammish

    I'd REALLY like to ride old school on Levens (I'd really like to ride Levens come to that!!!). Any organisers of any 10s on there.....out there?

  • Ian Cammish

    Me old...maybe. Bob Porter.....BBAR 1972 legend...definitely!

  • andy

    Very true Bob, it's nice to win stuff, but for me there's a personal challenge I've set myself that I want to go a good way under 20 minutes next year on the U47 course. Other than that I'm happy to ride "old skool" at every event. Could I catch Cammish for a minute on the U47 if I was all pointy and aero and he was on an old skool bike? No idea. Would be fun finding out though eh!? He is quite old you know. Surely he can't go on being fast forever......can he???

  • Bob Porter

    It is a pity so many people are obessed with time and not their placing, TTs are are still a race !!

  • Ian Cammish

    If it's a nice day Andy I hope you're my minute man then! It would give me great delight to.....no...no chance! OK....how about me being YOUR minute man...you reckon you could catch me if I went old school? Be interesting wouldn't it? What you've said there made me think....do you reckon any potential champion would be prepared to risk it and go old school if there was a decent cash prize available for winning a National on an Old School bike? Personally I reckon even Hutch would have his price. How much though? (That would be even more interesting...eh?)

  • andy

    The U47 is my DREAM course. Although to be honest if it were a nice day I'd chicken out of the retro thing and take my geared pointy bike instead. I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeed that sub 20 next year. Principles? Pah!

  • to55er

    Thanks David. I'll contact Rob.

  • andy

    I'm way undergeared on the Pomp at the moment, I'll have to muck about with that some more over the winter. How does 55/12 sound? ;) :)

  • to55er

    I can’t see the problem at all David. So what if events are fully subscribed? We’ll be entering the counting events putting our best times down on our entry forms…same as everyone else. We won’t be bound to ride the event on the same kit we did those rides on will we? I think you’re looking into it too deeply…..you ever thought of getting a job with the UCI? :-) Anyway…..cycling’s supposed to be fun innit? And….another objective is to be able to draw a comparison….personally I don’t think that would be possible (to the same degree) on an early season event on a hilly course which you’d probably be riding a road bike on anyway. (Just my own personal viewpoint there!).

  • andy

    You'd better believe I'm taking it seriously although I can't normally manage more than about 20mph on the Pomp. I've started scouring t'internet for a classic low pro bike. Ideally something really mad with a 24" front wheel. But then again, where am I going to get 24" Dugasts from?? ;)

  • Ian Cammish

    L shaped cranks are good Bob! I placed second in the National 25 the first time I ever used them. Dunno why they never caught on though! I'm still looking for those Weltmeisters ...

  • Ian Cammish

    Jeez...Andy's taking this serious! 6 months or so to go and he's getting his bike ready! Anyone got any events on that superfast U course we can piggy back on to so he won't have to travel too far?

  • Bob Porter

    Perhaps someone will dig out a pair of Lshaped cranks as well.

  • andy

    I'll be racing them on my Pomp. Just planning a conversion of the bars and wheels. Going to swap it over to some Nitto bullhorns (they do some really crazy shaped ones like the old Syntace style ones from the 80's a Cammish stem and a set of our Model A tubular track wheels.

  • Ian Cammish

    Don't see why not.....if we've got any left by then! The workshop area was like a Pompino production line last Thursday.......going fast......so yes.....a distinct possibility!

  • ben

    how about doing it on one of your pompinos

  • Ian Cammish

    That's good Sam - this'll be a larf!! Hey...I've just found some brand spankin' new Clement 3s in the loft, some pedals with toe clips and straps in the garage and a Dansk crash hat in the wardrobe. Anyone got any Schereens?

  • Sam

    That sounds a giggle, all being well I'll be up for a bit of that! Not sure where to source the kit from, but should be laugh..

  • to55er

    I needed to do a middling 37 to beat Nik and although it was possible......it was also highly unlikely especially since I must have hit on one of the best days for years when I did that 1-40-26. I was also going far better then than I am now. I'm a realist......one with a stinking cold too .....which wouldn't have made it any easier! All credit to Nik.....superb season.....deserves it. I'm happy enough with second.

  • Stephen Nightingale

    Yes but, what happened this weekend? Thought you were going to put the wind up NikB?? (Notwithstanding: 2nd in the BBAR is a stellar result for such a wise elder).

  • Ian Cammish

    Thanks David...but the F2a's about as hilly as we want to go!

  • Ian Cammish

    ....is that code for "Hey...I'd like to volunteer my event too?" The tweed jacket and tank top got skipped last week! That's the best I could do with what was available. Congratulations by the way!

  • Ian Cammish

    By all accounts that is a very kind offer Mr Sanjan. I was kind of hoping we could limit the events to REALLY slow courses so no-one would ever get anywhere near any of the existing comp records.... Dave would then have had to fork out for the profiteroles. However.....the F2a is a VERY fast course and would certainly give us some times which would be comparable. Pending committee approval ....... another trip to Asda!! :-) ....yes please! Grateful if you could mail your contact details to me at [email protected]

  • Sanjan Stu

    Mr Cammish, I would be willing to open our event up for this next year. We will be doing a ten again on your local F2a in August. Regards Stuart

  • Ian Cammish

    OK Mr Stealth.....all credit to you for wishing to stay loyal to Planet X by riding your Stealth. Tell you what.....since you're a Planet X owner, pay us your 30 quid annual subs and you can ride your Stealth as part of the Planet X team until your heart's content (well ok....maybe not quite that long....say, until the end of 2009 then!!). You can even buy some nice new team S2 clothing (and other gear) at a discount so you can look like Wayne Randle if you really want to.....no guarantee you'll go as fast as him though! But....we never had carbon in the 70s or 80s so it wouldn't be a fair comparison would it? So it's a "no" to the Stealth. 38cm cow horns and PX Model Bs will be ok though. But (yes another one) if you're too fast we still reserve the right to make up some other rule along the way to disqualify you......your card's been marked ok?

  • to55er

    Tight arses? Do you know how many bike riders are sponsored by Planet X? Our annual Club Dinner and prize presentation has had to be cancelled this year because the Albert Hall is fully booked!

  • Bryan

    Sponsorship deal??? I'd get those tights arses at Planet X to sponsor it!

  • Ian Cammish

    ....we might have to convene another meeting to consider the matter over a couple of Pepsi Maxs and Jam Rolly Polley (if it's not spelt like that.....cos its underlined in red on my pooter) then we''ll revert to the tried and tested profiteroles!

  • Stealth

    So a PX Stealth with 38cm wide cow horns, PX Model Bs is ok?